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I am a heretic (who is monkeying around with my faith)

Every so often in your life, you will encounter a bright person. When I say someone is bright, I mean two things. First, they are very smart. Second, they are brilliantly sharp. Now at any given high school, maybe two or three people have attained their maximum brightness. Most of us have to wait until college before finding our true spark. When that happens, that light bulb inside our head will shine brightly for everyone to see.

(I get too many of my ideas from cartoons.)

Sometimes, these bright people shine so intensely that they are like angels to the people they know. You think it would be good to be an angel, except that if you’ve ever watched the movie Dogma you would understand the drawbacks of being an angel. They are closer to God than humans are, but angels cannot have romantic relationships. You might say that is the price of being able to solely focus on God and heavenly matters.

It is sort of scary when an angel does come into your life. Think about Isaiah when the angel of Lord appeared before him. Isaiah immediately knew that he was not worthy. And, since it’s Christmas season, let’s think about Gabriel appearing before Joseph and warning him to take his family to Egypt. This is why I hate the Bible. It focuses on the major story too much, leaving the little details out. See, after hundred upon hundreds years of translation, I think scholars learned just to get to the gist of the story to avoid boring people with a long winded setup. The Bible does not mention a very simple fact that we all know to be true: Joseph was p*ssing in his pants when Gabriel appeared before him.

(I am serious.)

When an angel appears in your life, it is often to admonish you or warn you about something. I treat others as my properties, as my playthings (hrmmmm, for some reading I have this image of a certain red headed Lyssa thinking I would be a devious dom in an S&M relationship) (I wonder how many of my fine Christian friends just had to type S&M in Wikipedia to understand what I just talked about) (You know, the reason why I would make a great history teacher is because I love to digress). I have the sin of pride, the sin of hubris. I trust my own abilities far too often. I allow myself to feel haughty seeing the weaknesses of others thanks to my spiritual gift of discernment. I do not sincerely apologize for my actions, I just mouth the words “sorry”. I do not have the sensitivity to regret what I say, only enough sensitivity to ensure my place in society.

The spiritual gift of discernment is both a blessing and a curse upon the one God bestows this powerful ability. Discernment allows its user to peer into the souls of others. Anyone with a weaker personality becomes like an open book because the discerning user can glean a lot of information from what they say or do. Stronger personalities are more difficult to crack, but eventually a discerning user can read them through the user’s own actions and words towards the stronger personality. The most difficult people to read, then, are quiet people because they have very little to cue in on.

(I would make a great poker player if I did not love the words “all-in”.)

Think about a person with perfect pitch. They have the ability to identify a note by name without the benefit of a reference note, or to be able to produce a note (as in singing) that is the correct pitch without reference (thank you Wikipedia). It is a curse for them to listen to music being played by amateurs, for every mistake is like a cat scratching her nails across a chalkboard…times ten. People with perfect pitch are often perfectionists when it comes to music. They will work hard to get a song right because they cannot stand the pain of the wrong notes.

When it comes to people, I have perfect pitch. Huh? I mean that I can see those who are doing what they should be doing and I can see those who are not. How do I know this? God granted me the spiritual gift of discernment. It is as if I am Mr. Holland, and everyone I know is part of my opus. It angers me to see people waste their potential. It saddens me to see people who have given up on their potential. It soothes me to see someone close to actualizing his or her potential. It cheers me up when someone realizes his or her personal legend.

A good friend of mine once accused me of being very deceitful. He knows that I mislead others so they will work for my profit. I stand accused correctly. I have worked on my ability to tell others what they want to hear so much it has become second nature to me. I can hide the fact that I like someone because they would never know unless I told them directly. I lie so well I’ve become too good at hiding my emotions and thoughts. I guard my heart and mind tighter than the security at the State of the Union Address.

(If I were a hedgehog, my spikes would be the longest and most painful ones of my community.)

This same friend of mine also accused me of being very manipulative. He knows that I often pretend to play the fool so I do not have to do much work. I am a very lazy, spoiled brat. I play people like a master pianist. I claim that I am terrible at the expressive side of piano. I am just being self-deprecating, as I play the piano fairly well…it’s just that I am too lazy to practice enough to bring out the true emotion of the song. More to the point, I play for myself. I selfishly only play the songs that I do like. In the same way, I choose to be straightforwardly insulting to people because the people who can withstand my brutal honesty are the people who I can help and/or understand. The people who are honestly insulted by my piercing jests are honestly not worth my time.

Now let’s consider sheet music. We all know that masterpieces have an exact arrangement that is required to be repeated over and over by all aspiring pianists. Fur Elise will always be played the same way. As well it should, for it is the quintessential piano song—a fast yet slow, loud yet soft, long yet short song that requires a mastery of many techniques. My ultimate goal in piano playing is not only to memorize Fur Elise, but also play it to perfection. It will be a lifetime pursuit.

Other songs can be more personalized, however. There are dozens of renditions of Christmas songs. A lot of sheet music only has the notes for the right hand, i.e. the melody. It is up to the player to come up with the harmony. I know a certain Italian Stallion who is a master at improv playing and his ability to come up with the harmony on his own astounds me. He told me that the sheet music is only a guide, but it is up to the player to come up with the right notes.

I personalize people with nicknames because they are part of the song I am playing. My nicknames are pregnant with meaning. They describe a certain characteristic of someone or where they are from or what they are to do with their lives. The Thief steals from others to live. Kimono-chan refers to a girl who has fallen in love with Japan and wearing kimonos. Monsieur Maine refers to a French speaking Maine man who defines his state.

I am frustrated by the people who fail to see who they are. Do not be afraid of who you are. If you are a flaming gay liberal, come out of the closet and admit it. I won’t like your politics, but I will respect you as a person. If anthropology is what gets you up in the morning, go be an anthropologist. It really is that simple to find your happiness. If you are to be an anime voice actor, go to broadcasting school already. Trust me, you will find your destiny there.

But my biggest pet peeve involves those who refuse to be tagged by me. Or, to put it more bluntly, those who think I am wrong when I tag them with an insulting nickname. If you are an environmental policy major, you are a treehugger. If you study geology, you are a rock lover. If you wear glasses and your name is Kent, you are Superman. Accept who you are because otherwise you are denying your true self.

(I know that little.)

Unlike perfect pitch, discernment cannot be used on yourself. It is impossible to tell who you are by what you know about yourself because you are too biased. It is in your best interests to think that you are the most awesomest person in the world. Why would you think otherwise? It would be stupid for you not to believe you are great. And so it is that you must rely on others to be your mirrors, to reveal who you are. And some mirrors show yourself more of you than others.

I have seen my true self recently. I speak humbly, but I am an arrogant bastard. I get bored with life. I am antisocial. I do not treat others with respect because I think I am better than them. These things run contrary to what a Christian disciple should be. And it’s so much easier just to say screw it all, I’d rather be a heretic. Cause at least when I am a heretic I can be myself. People think I pay too much attention to the little things in life. No, I don’t think so. The little things in life matter!

So a friend of mine said I had to answer one question whether I am a heretic or not. Do I believe that the Bible is God’s Word and how do I resolve that question with regards to whether or not Jesus is the only way? You know, I often don’t reveal my true thoughts. But I’ll just be straightforward to save time.

I am a heretic.

The Bible has been translated incorrectly dozens of time. We lose things in translation. The Bible is God’s Word, sure, if you believe that. But do I believe that the Bible is God’s Word. As much as the Dao De Jing is God’s Word or the Quran is God’s Word or the Bhagavadgita is God’s Word. If I grew up in a different culture then would I not take my culture’s “Bible” as my God’s Word?

Jesus is the only way? Sorry I only have three words for that. THAT’S SOME BUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLL!!! You know why I say this? Because while I do sense something different within true disciples of Christ, I sense that same special difference in true disciples of Allah, true disciples of Buddha, true disciples of Satan, etc. I kid you not. I feel the same goodness in the president of the Muslim Student Association as I do the intern at the Baptist Student Union. They’re both fair and fallible people; moreover, their faith is genuine.

(And my power of discernment is pretty good.)

But I am equally mad at the atheists who claim there exists no God. These are the people who would ascribe their life to random chance. Was it random chance that we have an atmosphere? Was it random chance that the sun is just far enough away to sustain us? Was it random chance that our bodies are the most amazing pieces of machinery ever? No, it’s bullsh*t if you don’t admit that there is some sort of Divine Force. Cause if there ain’t, I’m coming to your house and shooting you.

(Judge, I swear, it's not my fault because I did it due to "random chance.")

Can you tell me something I already don’t know? I do not think so. One of the downsides of having an eidetic memory is that you remember too much. I read something and then I can’t forget it. People annoy me because they're always telling me what I already know! But you know what the frightening thing is? I can tell whether or not a person truly believes what they’re saying. Too many people at church regurgitate the textbook "Sunday School answer" instead of thinking for themselves.

(Of course, I’m guilty of just quoting other people to hide my true opinions.)

One thing you will learn by studying history is that true believers are the most dangerous people on the Earth. Stalin was never as dangerous as Mao Zedong because Stalin never truly believed Marx. Stalin simply co-opted Marx’s ideals for his own benefit. Mao Zedong really did believe that the proletariat would rise up in the world and overthrow their capitalist masters. The book that best describes several different views on the allure of idealism is “The God That Failed Us”. If you read it, you will see how rational people were duped into believing Communism. But if you replaced Communism with Christianity, you would understand why so many people fall away from the conservative, fundamental Christianity in our modern times.

People with a strong faith should major in business or science. Business just deals with money so there is little conflict with their faith. It’s all about dealing with people and selling yourself, which isn’t too hard if you have the right personality. Christian scientists and engineers resolve the difficulty between science and religion by seeing that they study God’s handiwork through mathematics and other scientific descriptors. Heck, you could even say evolution is God’s way of shaping our world.

You know what a good Christian should avoid studying? Liberal arts. Liberal arts is rife with professors who will challenge your thinking and your faith. The typical sheltered Christian cannot withstand these new challenges without resorting to “God said so” or “I believe in the infallibility of the Bible” arguments. Well, sh*t, I could just say “Buddha said so” or “I believe in the infallibility of my @$$” and it would be the same argument. Only someone who grew up in a dualistic background or one where their parents questioned them constantly would actually grow stronger if challenged in their faith.

I will leave you with one of my signature bad poems...

The Brightest Angel
The good Lord created beings of light
Before He created mankind.
Angels sang gloriously to the King of Might,
With their clear and pure mind.
Yet trouble stirred in Heaven,
As one angel thought he shined brighter
Than the Omniscient, Omnipotent Judge of Sin.
Ironically, God named him Lucifer.

Date: 2005-12-19 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-aldarion.livejournal.com
Good entry this morning, if a bit wordalicious (says the pot to the kettle). I'd never heard it called 'spiritual discernment' before your last entry, and I like your explaination of it... mayhap I'll use that next time I try to explain myself to people. (For yea, though she is not oft eloquent, she also can read people, and not only can read people, can't NOT read them. Yeow, that can get irritating!)

I still don't understand why accepting that other Words Of God are just as good makes you a heretic, though. Granted, I didn't grow up in a Christian religious household... in fact, neither of my households GOT religion until I was about seven or eight, when Mom started dabbling in Quakerism and Dad started coming back to his family roots (which I eventually did as well, in the wake of his death). I know I'm poorly equipped to understand Baptist matters, so that's why I'm asking... I feel it's important for me to understand, because a lot more people come from a Baptist background than a Quaker/Native American one! XD I'll ping you when I see you online.

Date: 2005-12-19 03:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
I still don't understand why accepting that other Words Of God are just as good makes you a heretic
I didn't grow up in a Christian religious household

Date: 2005-12-19 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-aldarion.livejournal.com
Well, precisely. But that doesn't answer my question, still.

Get your gun...

Date: 2005-12-19 01:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ink_13
...and start planning a trip to Canada. I suggest you begin by looking up the Anthropic Principle. The Cliff Notes version looks like this: Of course it's a fucking miracle that life exists at all. Has it occured to you that if things were any other way, that if the circumstances leading to your existance were not so perfect, you wouldn't be here to muse about how incredibly unlikely was your birth?

Re: Get your gun...

Date: 2005-12-19 03:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
*D2 gets his gun*
*D2 points it at ink*
*D2 then points it at himself*
*D2 ponders the meaning of life*
*D2 pulls the trigger*

Date: 2005-12-19 02:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] zoethe.livejournal.com
Wow, when you take a bite, you take a BIG bite!

While I have no objection to a little arrogance, I suddenly see your nicknaming as a way of distancing yourself from people. You are playing God, identifying them for "who they truly are," and being irritated at them when they do not accept your nicknames. But what are you truly seeing? The person, or the label that you've slapped on them? When you label someone, you no longer have to really deal with who they are - everything outside your label is simply ignored. And once they are in your nice, neat categories, you don't have to think about them anymore.

I don't think this is a good way of dealing with the world.

Date: 2005-12-19 03:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
It's not that I take big bites, it's that I eat a lot. I'm actually the slowest eater in my family, but I'm very methodical. Little strokes fell great oaks, you know.

Nicknames, labels, they're the same thing aren't they? They describe the world how I think it should be. Normally, this isn't a problem. But I'm arrogant enough to believe I'm right, and they're wrong.

Because I am right.

But, Mrs. Ferrett, you seem to be a very perceptive person. Perhaps you have a suggestion or two on how to handle this flaw of mine?

Date: 2005-12-19 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lyssabard.livejournal.com
As we share this flaw (the need to Be Right), I can offer some suggestions. *smile*

Learn to be wrong.
Learn to admit it.
Learn to, when necessary, apologize.

Learn what it truely is to connect with people, with life. Learn to share joy and pain. Learn wonder once again--for it means you have more to learn.


Yes, the world is as one sees and percieves it...but you are not the only One in the world.

Love,
Lys

Date: 2005-12-19 04:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
I hate being wrong.
I hate admitting that I'm wrong.
I hate apologizing.

You name all things that I currently struggle with. I suppose it is time for a change in my philosophy.

This will require much cogitation.

Date: 2005-12-19 04:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] zoethe.livejournal.com
Think of it this way: admitting that you are wrong is nothing more than adjusting your navigation on the path of rightness. But if you do not make such navigational adjustments, in the end you will be more wrong, and more off the path, and have to work that much harder to counteract your stubborn behaviors.

Apologizing is an artform, and it gives you power. Think of your sensei, Ferrett. When he is wrong, he admits it. When he crosses the line, he apologizes. So his words have more gravitas when he sticks to his guns, because you know it's not just out of stubbornness.

You name all things that I currently struggle with. I suppose it is time for a change in my philosophy.

Sounds like the source for a New Year's Resolution to me....

Date: 2005-12-19 05:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
Navigational adjustments...that's an interesting to look at it.

I suppose if Ferrett-sensei admits when he's wrong and apologizes, I still have much to learn from him.

A New Year's Resolution, huh? I take your challenge, and I already have an awesome idea. I will announce it on January 1st. I think somebody like you will appreciate it.

Date: 2005-12-19 03:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] zoethe.livejournal.com
Don't assume that everyone is a character in your little puppet theater. They are all individuals, with their own individual likes and dislikes and quirks that make them much more fascinating than the simple labels you create for them are. They each have their own lives and loves and needs, flaws and imperfections, commendable characteristics and moments of heroism. When you pigeonhole them with labels, you cut yourself off from the knowledge of who else they might be.

Certainly, there isn't time in life to celebrate the individual humanity of every person you meet. But stop to consider if your nicknames aren't at times extremely disrespectful, and if people who resist them aren't in the right to do so. You are still very young, even though you are a deep thinker, and the experience of the world is vast. Don't cut yourself off from it through your smugness.

Date: 2005-12-19 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kimmaline.livejournal.com
That was awesome, Gini. Go you.

Date: 2005-12-19 04:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
Yeah the writer in me screamed SQUEEEEEE when I read Mrs. Ferrett's comment, too.

Date: 2005-12-19 04:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
D*mn. I guess people can still tell me things I don't already know.

There may be hope for me yet, Mrs. Ferrett. :)

Date: 2005-12-19 04:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] zoethe.livejournal.com
Many. I'm twice your age, with a nistory of deep-thinker-hood, and people can still tell me things I don't know.

I have great hope for you, young Padawan.

Date: 2005-12-19 05:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
Actually, Master, I hate to say this but you are more than twice my age. ;)

Date: 2005-12-19 06:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] zoethe.livejournal.com
Don't be pedantic.

;-)

Date: 2005-12-19 07:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
But then I wouldn't be myself. ;)

Date: 2005-12-19 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tybuc.livejournal.com
I've always thought to be a true Christian, you have to at some point in your life reevaluate the world as an athiest. Otherwise, you will always be bogged down by the doubt that you have never really believed to begin with. Just as free will is requisite to make a decision, so is the clarity of mind to observe things without bias.

And yes, if that discernment is as good as you say, maybe you should take up poker. Is that guy trying to put a move on me with 2nd pair, or does he have the straight? If you can figure that one out 100% of the time, you're feeling pretty good most of the time.

Date: 2005-12-19 03:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
But you forget the luck factor in poker. It wouldn't matter if I'm right one hundred percent of the time. He'd be semibluffing the straight and hit jackpot on the river.

Every. Single. Freaking. Time.

Date: 2005-12-19 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tybuc.livejournal.com
Luck only matters in the short term in poker, just like in blackjack. By giving yourself better percentages to win, you accumulate money over the long haul. Did you know that if you play blackjack perfectly, the casino only has something like a 1% advantage over you? Still, that percentage adds up over time, and even considering that most people play badly (maybe bringing the edge up higher), it's enough to pay for the dealers, the space, etc, in the long haul.

Most people forget their biggest wins and remember their biggest losses. I can't remember almost any $300 and $400 wins on a hand, but you'd better believe I remember a hand where someone hit a gutshot straight on me with 7 outs in the deck for a $400 pot with crystal clarity.

Date: 2005-12-19 04:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
Two words I am too fond of: All in.

Date: 2005-12-19 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tybuc.livejournal.com
That's less of a detriment than you think it is. At least once you learn the intricacies of the game.

Date: 2005-12-19 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] odclay.livejournal.com
A friend of mine occasionally tries to bring me back to Jesus, but he does a rather half-arsed job at it. I explain basically what you've said; the Bible may have been divinely inspired by God, but it was written by man, and copied by man, and recopied, and translated, and retranslated, and occaionally mistranslated, and perhaps revised in some places...so I have a hard time readily accepting it as the Literal Word of God. Also, I don't see what's so bad about other similar peaceful religions. My friend tried to convince me by reminding me that Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the light," et cetera, but I just kept thinking, don't most messiahs and/or prophets say that about their respective religion?

He's praying for me. I...guess...that's ok...

But I figure, if I'm supposed to find God and define/confine It to a single religion and form of worship, it'll happen on its own, instead of following the Word Of God Dictated To Man.

Date: 2005-12-19 04:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
Glad you to have you as part of the heresy, Jacob-chan.

Date: 2005-12-19 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] odclay.livejournal.com
Heresy I can do; human institutions are meant to be mocked. Blasphemy is different; I can mock God, but it's mostly mocking God As Most Humans View Him.

Date: 2005-12-19 05:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
Nice job hitting the difference between heresy and blasphemy.

Date: 2005-12-19 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] odclay.livejournal.com
With that icon, it's bloody hard to tell how serious you are...

Date: 2005-12-20 12:32 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
That's the idea.

Date: 2005-12-19 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adigitalpimp.livejournal.com
Very finely crafted.

Date: 2005-12-19 05:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
You could say it was masterfully played song.

Date: 2005-12-19 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I have a question. You're asking others for opinions which is good, and you're recognizing your own faults which is good, but are you coming to all these conclusions on your own or have you sat down and had a good conversation with God about all this? I don't believe everything that people tell me about God, but I sure believe everything that God has told and shown me. Just ask. He'll answer.

Date: 2005-12-19 07:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
Alright, anonymous person who I may or may not know in real life (leave me a hint if you are), but I will try to have a conversation with God soon. Hopefully He answers.

Date: 2005-12-19 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wldntulk2knwwho.livejournal.com
Proverbs 27:17

To me, discernment has always implied a certain level of wisdom. It is one thing to make judgements on other people. It's a totally different thing to discern who and what they truly are.

You are a very knowledgeable person D2. More so than a lot of people I know. However, reading this post, I question the level of wisdom in you. Therefore, I feel compelled to question your gift of discernment.

En guard!

Date: 2005-12-19 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moocowrich.livejournal.com
Ditto. (What? I'm a student government nerd. It's all I know how to say these days.)

Date: 2005-12-19 07:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
"On order."

"Yes?"

"[livejournal.com profile] moocowrich did not direct his question through the chair."

"Ah yes, and what does our parliamentary procedure say?"

"He needs to ask the chair himself if he has a question. Like, first, he needs to be recognized. When he's recognized, then he should say, could you direct my question through the chair."

"As the chair, I think that's overly complicated."

"There's a reason parlia pro makes people bitter."

"Agreed. I suppose I have no choice but to approve what you're about to do."

"I move that [livejournal.com profile] moocowrich just ask his question of D2 in a direct comment."

"Seconded."

"The chair has a second. We will vote..."

"Consent!"

"There's been a call for consent. Without objection, objection...objection this motion does pass!"

Date: 2005-12-19 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moocowrich.livejournal.com
Your chair would be a buffoon to recognize such a thing. No question was even implied, my friend.

And anyone who doesn't employ the 'ditto rule' to keep people from saying the same things over and over again is far too into wasting time and energy.

Date: 2005-12-19 07:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
And anyone who doesn't employ the 'ditto rule' to keep people from saying the same things over and over again is far too into wasting time and energy.
Welcome to my student government.

Date: 2005-12-19 07:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
*sharpens his dueling sword*

You challenge me, eh, mysterious friend? You'd better send Miss Ruark your last request wishes. You may not be coming back from this one.

So I make snap judgements on people. I'm just stupid enough to tell people what those snap judgements are. What's wrong with that?

Date: 2005-12-19 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wldntulk2knwwho.livejournal.com
There's nothing wrong with snap judgements. The problem comes in labelling people based on those snap judgements. If I've understood you correctly, and if you truly have the gift of discernment, shouldn't you take the time to get to know people for who they truly are?

Aside from other people, however, what I'm really questioning is how you're viewing yourself right now. It's one thing to want to learn more about other faiths and to expand your knowledge about them. But the true ability to discern means you can examine each one and determine which one you believe most.

If you really believe you have the gift of discernment, don't cop out by taking the view that everything's right in some form or another.

Date: 2005-12-19 08:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
Alright, I'll say it in four words:
I am an apostate.

Also, what does having the gift of discernment have to do with how "right" people are?

Date: 2005-12-19 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarnath.livejournal.com
Of all the arguments for a God, why rely on the teleological argument? There are better arguments that don't contain massive logical fallacies.

Date: 2005-12-19 07:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
Because most of my friends will use teleological arguments for the existence of a God. Using one myself preempts them.

Date: 2005-12-19 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This is insane. You are insane. But these thoughts that you have spread out for the world to read? They read just like my own thoughts. Conclusion: we are all insane. But it is one thing to acknowledge you are insane, and another to revel in it. I know that what I am thinking is madness, and that drives me to the feet of Jesus. In the end, I chose Jesus because He was calling to me. Once I had chosen, however, the Holy Spirit working in me confirmed the presence of God inside me. I think what I'm saying is that faith is not something you arrive at by any logical means. You can't argue yourself into a state of belief in God/Jesus/anything else. I think it's called a "leap" of faith for a reason. The only absolute proof is the solid ground you find after the leap into the dark... and before the leap? The faint, murky voices of the people on the other side, calling to you. I guess... :-).

Another thing: everybody likes to think that they are the deepest-thinking, most self-aware, most spiritually-in-touch person around. ;-).

I do not believe that the truly perceptive person is the one who says that he has all the right answers, and that he can break down a person's character and examine the stuff of which that person is made, as though he were taking apart a child's Lego creation. You can say what you like, but humans are all such complex beings that it is both dangerous and pretentious to claim that you understand what nobody has completely understood, ever. Are you really perceptive? Or are you just arrogant (and blind!) enough to persuade yourself that your opinions are the truth, and then vocalize them?

One last thought: How can you say that you have perfect "people" pitch when you don't even know yourself well enough to decide if you believe in God or not? Surely the conductor of the great "opus" has to know in what key he is singing before he can conduct a chorus of voices.

Date: 2005-12-20 06:19 am (UTC)
ext_4739: (Default)
From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
Oh I see now, I guess never mentioned LJ in my email. Your writing style is too distinct, by the way.

Rationality can only take us so far, right? You're right, as you usualy are.

Hmmm, I guess then I am not a truly perceptive person. Just an arrogant enough person to convince myself that I know the truth, and then stupid enough to vocalize them.

I do know whether or not I believe in God. Unfortunately, my chorus of voices seems to want to sing in a different key then I want them too. What's a conductor gonna do?

Date: 2005-12-20 10:17 am (UTC)
ext_4739: (Default)
From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
Okay, now that I have had some time to fully digest your comment, let me add a few words. Your words I do look at a second time. They always bother me for some reason.

I don't understand. How can you have the same insanity I have? If you did, would you not be a heretic like me? And what's wrong for the world to read my near worthless thoughts? What's wrong with reveling in insanity? And how can insanity lead to Christ?

Another thing: everybody likes to think that they are the deepest-thinking, most self-aware, most spiritually-in-touch person around.
Oh, you have my problem, too? ;)

I know a truly perceptive person wouldn't say he knows all the answers, or that claim to pick apart somebody like they were an open book. Yet, an arrogantly perceptive person would. Would you rather have me lie and not say what I do not see? Sure, I need to work on how I tell people what I see. I concede that much.

I do believe God. Just not in the way that would jive in the BCM and I suspect in RUF as well. There are certain basic tenets to Christianity that one must accept in order to be a true disciple of the good Lord. I don't accept all of them. That is what makes me a heretic.

I want to play in my favorite key, the sorrowful E minor, but everyone else just wants to play plain C major. I wonder if a truly perceptive person like you can pick up the meaning on that.

Date: 2005-12-20 10:20 am (UTC)
ext_4739: (Default)
From: [identity profile] greybeta.livejournal.com
Oh, and one more thing. Could you get a LJ account so I know for certain who I am talking to? I feel like I am talking to a stranger when I am talking to "anonymous", but I am obviously not talking to an anonymous stranger. Unless you want to hide who you are. But my discernment says that isn't the case in this situation.

That's because you and I would both hate a "friend" who copped out behind the mask of anonymity to criticize us.

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